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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  There are a lot of you (bohm, sir, spoletta, coded logic and more) who have concluded he is guilty based on supposed "EVIDENCE".

  I think the issue here is you seem not to understand how proper inference works. I don't have to see you rob a bank to have good reasons for thinking you might be involved. If I have you on tape saying, "I sure would like to have all the money in that bank" - if your immediate associates are being investigated by the FBI for the robbery - and if your bank account suddenly rockets into the millions - than yeah, I'd say there's a pretty good chance you might be involved.
  

  This is the same position we find ourselves in with the Trump campaign. And when I say, "We have multiple lines of evidence all closing in on the fact that Trump's campaign colluded with the Russians" - that is NOT the same thing as "Trump is guilty".

  It'd be really nice if you could engage honestly instead of just continually strawmaning people and attacking them for positions that they don't hold.

  This is NOT a courtroom. There is no judge. There is no jury. This is a group of people talking about what they think is likely to have happened and what they think is likely to happen.

  To object to a persons claims because it wouldn't result in a courtroom conviction is as silly as it is pedantic.
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  Hothabanero: You guys have been covering for Trump from the beginning. For you guys the conclusion is clear: Trump can do no wrong. It is the same argument every time you just change the subject to Clinton. Until Trump stops lying every single day and shows us his tax return, he has NO credibility in my opinion.

  You act upset that Clinton put her e-mails on the wrong server - but when Trump hands Code Word information directly to the Russians he gets a free pass.

  Simon sets the rules for this forum. He values the freedom of speech and freedom of contrary views. I hope that he allows you to keep posting even when he disagrees with you.

  PS: If your going to put down other people's IQs - you might want to start using full words and sentences. Using "u" "4" "bf" as words doesn't exactly make you look too bright. Just sayin'.
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  Hothabanero is a real hoot!

  We have multiple lines of evidence all closing in on the fact that Trump's campaign colluded with the Russians. I wish he would wake up and smell the evidence. He's fooled himself into thinking Trump can do no wrong.

  IMO, Trump apologist should only get one post a day, just so we can see if they have finally come to their senses. Their constant conservative copy-pasting fake news is making it impossible to have a rational discussion.
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  Now that a Special Counselor has been appointed - are you more confident that, if Trump is guilty of high crimes, he will impeached?

  Now that a Special Counselor has been appointed - are you more confident that, if Trump is innocent, he will be found unimpeachable?
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  FMF-

  Are you sure those are the only 2 options? I can think of at least a few more:

  3: Comey was building a case about Trump interfering with an ongoing FBI investigation.

  4: Comey was seeking to preserve the Russia Investigation and did not want to bias his agents.

  5: Comey felt his words alone were not sufficient to bring charges against the President of the United States.

  6: Comey was considering rolling a Obstruction of Justice charge in with the Russian Investigation.

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  I'm not really sure why people are trying to make an issue out of this. It's very common for law enforcement officials to hold off on pursuing smaller charges so as to not compromise larger investigations.

  You don't pull over a drug trafficker for speeding when he's on his way to pick up a cocaine shipment. And the criminal saying, "well the officer knew I was speeding and didn't stop me" in no way gets him out of trouble for either speeding or drug trafficking.

  But I do agree with you. It will be interesting to see what Comey has to say. I can't wait until he testifies!
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  I'll also add that Comey's answer is 100% correct. The State Department has never stopped an FBI investigation. Outside of Nixon, I don't think they've even tried to.
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  FreemindFade -

  I think you may be taking the answer out of context. Comey was referencing if the Department of Justice could stop an investigation. He was NOT saying that Trump had never asked him to stop an investigation. Here's the transcript:

  HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?
  
  COMEY: In theory yes.
  
  HIRONO: Has it happened?
  
  COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience.
  
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  I understand that there are a lot of emotions on both sides of this issue. But perhaps we can leave personal insults and digs out of the remarks. Please remember the following general rules:

  Rule 2: When debating - don't take things personally.

  Rule 3: When debating - don't make things personal

  . . .

  Rule 1: Be aware you will almost always break rules 2 and 3.
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  Comey said under oath that Trump did not ask him to halt any investigation - 5/8/17
  -FMF

  
  Can you provide the quote please?

  Thanks
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  Memo shows Trump tried to end investigation in Feb.

  by Coded Logic in

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  washington — president trump asked the f.b.i.

  director, james b. comey, to shut down the federal investigation into mr. trump’s former national security adviser, michael t. flynn, in an oval office meeting in february, according to a memo mr. comey wrote shortly after the meeting.. “i hope you can let this go,” the president told mr. comey, according to the memo.. the existence of mr. trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the justice department and f.b.i.

  investigation into links between mr. trump’s associates and russia.. mr. comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after mr. flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo.

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  I'm not sure why you're using the "I" word as it's not an issue I raised. But no worries, allow me to be specific in my questions. And I hope you'll be specific in your answers.

  Do you think it's okay for the White House to lie about why Comey was fired saying it was because of the investigation of Hillary?

  Do you think it's okay for Trump to fire Comey because of the Russian investigation as he stated in his interview with Lester Holt?

  Do you think it's okay for Trump to give Code Word secretes to a hostile country?

  Do you think it's okay for Trump to jeopardize our intelligence relationships with Israel and potentially other allies?

  Do you think it's okay for Trump to ask the Director of the FBI to end an investigation into his former National Security Director?

  PS: "Okay" means ethically or instrumentally acceptable.